Friday, November 11, 2011
Prusa Iteration 2
When I have RepRap presentation I always say that I update my printer almost every week. If you watch my GitHub Repository, you must be puzzled now. It's a long time since my last commit there. But when you look closer you would find out that the printer lived in Felt branch last few months. It evolved into something much slicker, smoother and sexier. While keeping it's workhorse spirit.
It was already build on many workshops and it speeds up the build by many hours! Forget glueing the bushings, that was soo 2010.
Iteration 2 is the younger, cooler brother of Prusa. It has 111111 changes and it's 63 times better :-)
Print NOW!
I quickly pick some important changes of Iteration 2
1) Push fit
Where it is possible parts are just pushed in without any fastener needed :-)
2) Bushings
You have possibility to use Igus professional bushings, brass tube, felt, pla printed bushing or even printer lm8uu alternatives.
All bushings are simply snap in mounted, you can easily maintain your printer!
When you need your printer quick you can always find one of those at home :-)
3) No SAE version.
Are you sad?? You shouldn't be, parts will work with both metric and imperial fasteners.
Get M3 for small fasteners (you need them for NEMA 17s anyway) or #4 imperial ones if you really need to.
5/16 rods will work in place of M8 without any change!
4) LM8UU
You asked for it, so you got it! :-)
5) Less tools needed
All M3 nuts have nut traps. I've done workshop where everyone had only one Philips screw driver and two wrenches fro M8 nuts!
No jigs or measurement during print! Rods are exactly length you need from end to end.
6) One plate bed
That's kinda hack. PCB heatbed actually works as second plate.
But it needs no leveling at all and frees lots of space under Y axis for electronics or PSU to make tidy, cute printer!
7) Better belts
I use T2.5 belts instead of T5 for a long time, and it affects the quality more significantly then any lm8uu would ever do. Now it's official suggestion, get GT2 ot T2.5 belts and machined pulleys! Be professional!
8) Better documentation (future)
I get best team to help me manufacture the new documentation!
Kliment and Garry Hodgson (you many know him form Prusa Mendel Visual instructions).
Expect to see it pretty soon! And fully done in ThingDOC!
Watch out my GitHub, Flickr and Twitter to get latest updates!
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It IS possible to print T2.5 pulleys. I printed a bunch of beautiful MXL (2.032mm pitch) pulleys for a printer I'm working on.
I printed them in ABS with a .4mm nozzle, .29mm layers, and a thread width of .435mm. The trick is to design them so that the teeth are rectangular with a width of exactly two (or some multiple of two, for larger pitches or extremely high resolutions) thread widths, so that the teeth are solid.
I also found that due to the inherent rounding of the small corners, these pulleys mesh nicely with the nylon gears on some small DC motors I bought, and I'm working on a printable servo based on them.
I printed them in ABS with a .4mm nozzle, .29mm layers, and a thread width of .435mm. The trick is to design them so that the teeth are rectangular with a width of exactly two (or some multiple of two, for larger pitches or extremely high resolutions) thread widths, so that the teeth are solid.
I also found that due to the inherent rounding of the small corners, these pulleys mesh nicely with the nylon gears on some small DC motors I bought, and I'm working on a printable servo based on them.
BTW, I have mostly ported the visual instructions to LaTeX. I hope you guys will consider using it as a base for the updated guide. I'm sure you will agree that LaTeX is a much better format for collaboration.
If anyone is interested in viewing the difference between V1 and V2 Prusa Mendels, I have put up a page that uses Thingidiff to show visually the changes: http://garyhodgson.com/prusadiff
# posted by 
: November 12, 2011 3:22 PM
: November 12, 2011 3:22 PM
Here's the belt: http://thingfarm.org/product.php?id_product=45
I'm having trouble finding one that doesn't require international shipping to the US.
Maybe we can also find a pulley that is equivalent to the current one and wouldn't require any firmware tweaking.
I'm having trouble finding one that doesn't require international shipping to the US.
Maybe we can also find a pulley that is equivalent to the current one and wouldn't require any firmware tweaking.
In the US, you can easily find MXL belts, which are a finer pitch than T2.5 (2.032mm vs 2.5mm) and matching pulleys. You'll have to recalculate the steps/mm, but it's probably easier than sourcing T2.5. This is no different from substituting SAE rods for their metric equivalents.
Technobots (UK) sell blanks which they will bore out for you, as close to stock as i've seen
http://www.technobotsonline.com/synchroflex-timing-pulley-t2.5x6mm-16t.html
do sdp-si not sell blanks in the US
http://www.technobotsonline.com/synchroflex-timing-pulley-t2.5x6mm-16t.html
do sdp-si not sell blanks in the US
Yes blanks are no problem, and I have a lathe, taps and reamers, so I can bore them accurately but what do people without lathes do?
Seems odd to have a new vitamin that cant be bought anywhere.
Seems odd to have a new vitamin that cant be bought anywhere.
Nophead, have you tried printing them? If my CupcakeCNC can do it, it should be easy for Hydraraptor.
No I haven't tried printing T2.5, but everybody seems to be advocating metal pulleys for accuracy. The only ones I have seen for sale are T10 on eBay and they don't work because the teeth are too thin.
I think it's more the point they are now a vitamin and not easy to get hold of, rather than it being impossible to produce. I've printed some decent pulleys before on a dimension machine but thats not available to most.
Would GT2 belts/pulleys make a better substitute?
Would GT2 belts/pulleys make a better substitute?
Looking at this page: http://www.misumi-europe.com/lang/EN/inc/pdf/18_EFA_2011_Volume_1.pdf it seems that 2GT are better for positioning accuracy than all the others, so it looks like we should use them for that reason.
only problem is misumi also don't do a 2GT 16 tooth with 5mm bore!
you can check price + shipping on the website here
http://uk.misumi-ec.com/eu/ItemDetail/10302193470.html
SDP-SI do them for $18 if in the US
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail.asp?Opener=Group&PartID=60190&GroupID=346
Would it be easy to recalculate the steps/mm to allow for a 18 tooth 2GT or MXL pulley?
The mxl seem to be the most widely available
you can check price + shipping on the website here
http://uk.misumi-ec.com/eu/ItemDetail/10302193470.html
SDP-SI do them for $18 if in the US
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail.asp?Opener=Group&PartID=60190&GroupID=346
Would it be easy to recalculate the steps/mm to allow for a 18 tooth 2GT or MXL pulley?
The mxl seem to be the most widely available
Recalculating for the different belt pitch is as simple as multiplying the steps/mm variable by the ratio of the two belt pitches. If your pulleys have a different number of teeth, you'll need to do the same with that ratio. This is easy math.
Pulley Vitamin aside, its so great to see Mendel looking this streamline... mechanical simplicity is everything in this game, good on ya!
Hey guys!! I found a supplier for T2.5 pulleys, 5mm bore, 16 tooth.. $2,47 /piece... Just need to recalculate the steps/mm I guess, but first I need the pulleys and the belt... http://www.botoufortune.com.cn/
I agree 100% with your suggestion for smaller belts. I bought GT2 belts and pulleys and haven't looked back.
Is there an ideal way for arranging the parts on one plate for printing on a prusa mendel? (It made it seem like it was possible in the instructions.) If not, is there a better way to split it up?
Thanks!
Thanks!
How about these http://www.technobotsonline.com/synchroflex-timing-pulley-t2.5x6mm-16t.html for T2.5 timing pulleys?
It's late January and we still don't have a bill of materials for vitamin parts. I'm about to walk through the original prusa build instructions, looking at the prusa iteration 2 parts I've printed, and see if I can figure out what's different, but it'd sure be nice to have someone post some more official list (even if the instructions aren't nice and pretty yet)! (the BOM in github has enough old information in it, at least about the printed parts, that it looks invalid)
Hey, I've used GT2 pulleys and belts on my Orca :S - i know... but sdp-si do sell 22-tooth gt2 pulleys 5mm bore. Not found a UK supplier, which isn't surprising really. And that's not majorly different in steps/mm from the original nophead pulleys. (slightly lower steps/mm). Only thing left to do is sort out z-axis with the same.
Also, http://www.beltingonline.com/ do T2.5 pulleys and belts, and will bore and add extra grubscrew holes etc. I know they're still based in the UK, but when I used them for T5 belts, they were very quick. (considering they made the belts to order)
Also, http://www.beltingonline.com/ do T2.5 pulleys and belts, and will bore and add extra grubscrew holes etc. I know they're still based in the UK, but when I used them for T5 belts, they were very quick. (considering they made the belts to order)
I have to say using the iteration 2 parts with a iteration 1 hardware kit isnot a good idea. I wish there was some solid documentation for this set of parts.
Prusa 2 BOM is available from:
http://pastebin.com/SdgRkQrt
partial assembly instructioans are at: http://pastebin.com/t8LcB1du
Please note: This is NOT my work.
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http://pastebin.com/SdgRkQrt
partial assembly instructioans are at: http://pastebin.com/t8LcB1du
Please note: This is NOT my work.
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